Originally by: Monstah Khaos

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I'm sure there are a million topics on this somewhere, but I really don't get to the boards much so here goes...

Salvaging in missions by other players..... I travel a lot for work between jan-nov and don't get to play but a couple hours a week. When I play for that short time I like to "carebear" it and run highsec missions. For the last 3 days, out of 15 missions I have ran, I have had players come in and salvage my wrecks for 13 of them. Sometimes they even start salvaging before I'm even finished with the room!! As long as I have aggro, they are free to steal from me. I even had a small gang of destroyers warp in and clear my rooms before I was finished...

What burns me about this is, there is absolutely nothing I can do about it right now unless I re-fit my mission runner to salvage as I go. What burns me about this is, the player has absolutely no risk in taking from me. Everyone knows that the salvaging in missions is where the money is in the long run. I like to build my own rigs for my ships or sell them, and I need THAT salvage to do so. I figure I have lost well over 100 mill to this "exploit" as I call it.

I understand that salvaging wrecks out from under the actual wreck without the penalty of "stealing" is probably for the reason of player fleets that aren't same corp etc. I think there needs to be a fix to this. Possibly to allow the fleet commander to give "salvaging rights" to the players in the fleets, or even allow mission owners to "give" salvaging rights to anyone they want. That way if you are one of those lazy types who likes to scan down mission wrecks and pop in to take another players salvage... you suffer the same penalty as opening that wreck...unless you have "rights" to salvage.

There have been many times I wished I could simply target a thieving Kestrel and insta-pop him before Concord jumped me..

I'm just tired of wasting the little time I do have to play to people like this. I'm sure I'll get flamed up from you "hardcore" players and (Cyber-Spellcheckers) on this thread but, I really don't care..my point is made and I hope to see a solution of some type one day.

Keep up the good work CCP (saw the patch notes on fixing the annoying probe graphics).

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Originally by: Sturmwolke

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On the contrary, you're not thinking right. EVE is game of choices, not absolutes.

You chose to remain in busy mission hubs where ninja salvagers operate in force due to the salvage volume. You also chose to let it bother you and mistakenly think that losing salvage means you're losing isk. Keep in mind, the time you saved by not doing salvage work can be spent on doing an extra mission for its LPs and bounties.

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Originally by: Fumen

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Hey, if mission ninja salvaging is sooo much better isk than running the mission, why not play WITH the rules and get out and do it yourself?

Momma always said it's better to play with the rules than to play against them.

(Pardon if someone else already posted the same sentiment. I'm too lazy to read all the replies.)

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Originally by: WeaponsHot

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You made a couple of good points... that is not a mini-profession that is an EXPLOIT of game mechanics which make playing this game pointless as single player.

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Originally by: "CCP"

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An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever..

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Originally by: Bart Mag

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Just one question.

is it working as intended if a so called "mini profession" makes millions in minutes with nearly no risk at all?
compare mining to ninja salvaging then.

It takes month to skill for a hulk. it takes luck, effort and time to find belts that actually have any ore in it. it takes a lot of money to skill and equip for efficient mining. it takes time and effort to mine, transport ore and survive the occasional suicide ganker.

a ninja salvager needs virtually none of this. a few skills learned in nearly no time, a cheap ship and euipment and you¦re good to go. risk free. make millions in minutes.

so why skill for a hulk, go ninja.
i don¦t think that¦s working as intended.

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Originally by: Bidermaier

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Edited by: Bidermaier on 21/08/2009 19:13:09
When people has to go back to high sec not to be safer but to make money faster you know there is something broken in eve.
Anything that reduces the high sec reward/risk ratio is good.
So I welcome the ninja salvagers. I have tried it myself but Im not good with probes yet.
The funny thing is that I have made most of my money running L4 in high sec. But I wish I was pushed to low/null rather than high sec.

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Originally by: WeaponsHot

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Edited by: WeaponsHot on 21/08/2009 19:58:22

Originally by: Insa Rexion

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read this fool

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And who is more fool? Isn't the one that says that other is?

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Originally by: Jin Nib

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Originally by: Insa Rexion

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Originally by: WeaponsHot

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Edited by: WeaponsHot on 21/08/2009 19:58:22

Originally by: Insa Rexion

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read this fool

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And who is more fool? Isn't the one that says that other is?

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I think you you refer to this quote (incorectly AGAIN)

- Obi-Wan: Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him? ...

you really need to work on your understanding of the English language dude.

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Minor point here, but since he didn't use quotation marks or attribute the quote it can't be incorrect. Reason being it's not a quote.

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Originally by: WeaponsHot

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Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker

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- exploit is, what CCP deems to be an exploit. Salvaging isn't deemed one.

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Agree to differ!

By allowing such duality with SALVAGING, It also allows anyone to access someone's else missions. Of course this is good for PK/pirates no doubt, because won't be necessary to gatecamps to get their opportunities.

So here enters a grey area, not only SALVAGING is questionable but then someonelse's mission can be either disrupped or completly compromised by players that are exploring the situation (lack or not of correct game mechanics).

Now if this isn't deem exploit because lack of correct game mechanics then EVE becomes a game which can easily rebranded from EVE-online to GRIEF-online.

Current game mechanics and this duality of rules is calling for more trouble.

But again good for some bad for others.

Certainly bad for CCP duality of criteria regading the rules.

Either leave salvage as it is and apply same for loot or get both under same rule.

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